Discipleship in Action: Transforming Lives One at a Time with Sara Dangerfield

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In this episode of 'Just Talking About Jesus,' host Jan Johnson invites pastor Sara Dangerfield to share her poignant testimony of faith. 

Born into a culturally mixed family with a Christian mother and Muslim father, Sara's journey to Christianity faced early challenges. 

Despite these difficulties, she experienced profound moments, including a near-death encounter that cemented her faith. 

Now, driven by a passion for one-on-one discipleship, Sara emphasizes the power of personal relationships in sharing and nurturing faith. 

Through everyday encounters, she seeks to inspire others to find their purpose and meaning in a relationship with Jesus.

In this episode of 'Just Talking About Jesus,' host Jan Johnson invites pastor Sara Dangerfield to share her poignant testimony of faith. 

Born into a culturally mixed family with a Christian mother and Muslim father, Sara's journey to Christianity faced early challenges. 

Despite these difficulties, she experienced profound moments, including a near-death encounter that cemented her faith. 

Now, driven by a passion for one-on-one discipleship, Sara emphasizes the power of personal relationships in sharing and nurturing faith. 

Through everyday encounters, she seeks to inspire others to find their purpose and meaning in a relationship with Jesus.

From the day we’re born, we begin a journey. It will be molded by our families, our environments, our beliefs, and motivations. 

God, as the alpha and omega is with us each step of the way, whether we follow him or not. 

Just as we have our own personal journeys, each character in the Bible has theirs. Each have had their own lessons to learn. 

And higher than that, God has used each one in his ultimate plan. 

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Transcript

Jan: Welcome to Just Talking About Jesus. I'm Jan Johnson, a seasoned believer who loves relationships and, you know, just talking about Jesus.

From the day we're born, we begin a journey.

It will be molded by our families, our environments, our beliefs and motivations.

God as the Alpha and Omega is with us each step of the way, whether we follow him or not.

Just as we have our own personal journeys, each character in the Bible has theirs. Each have had their own lessons to learn and higher than that, God has used each one in his ultimate plan.

Discovering YOUR Journey Finding God in Every Step is an interactive six week study that melds the two together. We begin by mapping the journey of our lives leading up to who we are today.

Each week we will dig deep into the lessons God taught the characters of Ruth, Joseph, Jonah and David and compare them to our own journeys as we find where God has been in each step of the way.

Discovering YOUR Journey Finding God in Every Step includes a study book, a journal, and videos of my own personal stories.

Watch for it because it's coming soon.

Foreign welcome my friends to episode 47 of Just Talking About Jesus.

Last week we heard from Vincent Grivda who spoke on Oral Traditions in the Bible. I hope you were able to listen to that and if you miss it, take time to do it later.

Do you see people in your church who come to be fed, but they're missing the greater calling and following Jesus to make disciples?

Maybe you feel comfortable talking about your faith with your family or close friends,

but what about others outside of your Bible study? What about your neighbors? Do you even know your neighbors?

Today we'll talk about evangelizing and what that means for us.

My guest today is Sarah Dangerfield.

Sarah traded in the lakes of Minnesota for the prairies of North Dakota in order to serve alongside her husband in ministry, first as children's pastors and now as lead pastors.

Leading in this capacity opens Sarah's eyes to the lack of evangelistic hearts within the church and has been spending her time discipling followers of Jesus to be multipliers. Sarah enjoys a good baseball game, has a talent for embarrassing her three kids,

and is driven by a deep love for worldwide missions work.

Let's welcome Sarah.

Sara: We have a very large percentage of people in the United States who are considered nuns where they don't believe anything. Like they're not even denying Jesus for who he is. They just don't believe in anything.

But all of us have one thing in common and that is we want our life to have purpose.

We want to have a Reason for our existence and what we have chosen to believe or not believe. If it is not satisfying that need for wanting purpose on this earth, it can make us begin to start searching.

Jan: Okay. I think that's how I started every time I go. Okay. Sarah Dangerfield, welcome to our show today.

Sara: Thank you so much for having me.

Jan: Yeah,

I would like to know a little bit about your testimony. How'd you come to the Lord? You just been a Christian all your life or you had this big moment?

What's your story?

Sara: Yeah, definitely, I'd love to tell you that. So I was born and raised in a Christian home.

My mom, she grew up in the church. She loves the Lord, and so I'm very grateful for her introducing me to Jesus. But it was a rocky start at the beginning.

My mom was a world traveler and she loved to go anywhere that an airplane could take her. And she would literally pack her bicycle and with friends or on her own, and she would just go.

And she was an adventurer. And on one of her adventures, she happened to meet my dad. And she had gone to Egypt, and it's. If the story is correct, he was her tour guide.

And so she just fell in love with this beautifully handsome Middle Eastern man. And. And so, long story short, they got married. The unfortunate part was she was a Christian and he was a Muslim.

And by the time I was four years old, the tension was high when it came to their religious affiliations, especially when it came to raising a child. And so at a very young age, I was forced to choose between Christianity and Islam.

And by the time I was four, my dad had left and. And so my mom was raising me and then my younger sister on her own. And so part of it was probably the choice because I was living with my mom, but other parts, I watched as the Lord provided for our family.

I had a near death experience, and I actually experienced the Lord at very, very young age. I was four and a half years old when it happened.

And it was very hard for me to deny Jesus existence after that. And then watching as he provided for our family, whether it was financially, emotionally, even just the physical things like making sure we had food on the table and clothes to put on our bodies and just watching as the Lord provided that it was.

It was one of those things that you just can't turn your back on. And so my entire life, I'm 41 now, and my entire life I have served the Lord.

In every one of those years, I have not walked away because I just could not deny his existence and his Love for me. And so as every story goes, there's bumps in the road, but I'm just so grateful that Jesus revealed himself to me at a young age so I could hold firm to that.

Jan: Yeah, yeah. And did you still have contact growing up with your dad?

Sara: I did here and there. Our relationship was quite rocky. He also not being from the United States, didn't always understand how everything should run when it comes to when there's a divorce and there's children.

And so learning how to figure all that out, he was kind of a come and go. It wasn't until I was in college that I,

I shared with him. Not only is my faith, my Christian faith, very important to me, but I am also going to give my life to it full time and I'm going to become a pastor.

And he did not like that. And so our relationship has been for the most part non existent since then. We've both attempted and the bridges are just burned so badly that it's been, it's been hard to reunite and rectify what's been broken.

Jan: Yeah, I mean, there's a big gap between the two, you know, and yeah, I would think that that would be difficult. So I can see how that path would have gone too.

Yeah.

So currently, what are you passionate about?

Sara: Yeah, I'm actually very passionate about discipleship,

especially one on one when it comes to investing in someone, whether they're a believer or not,

choosing to invest in them and show them Jesus and hopefully if they weren't a believer before we started, they come to know Christ in a very personal way as we continue in our relationship, as we build and grow that, because that is the goal.

But I believe one on one discipleship is the way to go. The church does a great job of doing their best with the bodies and the families that are coming through their church doors.

But there is definitely power when it comes to sitting across a table from another individual and doing life together and praying together and pouring over scripture together. There's definitely power in that.

And so that is what I am the most passionate about.

Jan: Amazing. Yes. The thing that we should all be passionate about,

really go and make disciples. Right. So in a practical way, how does that look for you?

How are you choosing who to connect with and how do you start?

Sara: Yeah, yeah, definitely. So as a pastor, I really could. I have a plethora of people to choose from in my church. Right. But I also want to live by example for the people in our church because they go to work every day.

And so for me, work is where they meet every Sunday. And so I want to be an example to them of what it looks like to do one on one discipleship.

And so I look at my everyday rhythms, whether it's the same grocery store I go to, the same coffee shop I go to, my kids sports teams, like if they have families that I see on a consistent basis or at school, especially for school functions, if there are families I see regularly or I go to the mailbox and I see the same neighbor every time I go to the mailbox cluster.

Or I live in North Dakota, so we have a lot of snow removal, so I might see the same person coming from a neighborhood plowing. So who do I see on a regular basis that I could begin to build a relationship with?

And if it's someone I know really well, I'll invite them over for lunch or dinner at the house or go out to eat. If it's someone I don't know very well, and they may be questioning why this girl wants to meet with them, I will invite them out for coffee and just ask them to share their story with me.

And I, before I meet, I pray and I say, okay, Lord, if this is someone that you want me to spend significant time investing in, please show me in our conversation something that shows that there's a hunger in them.

Because if there's a hunger in them, I would love to help bring that to light and to help it produce fruit. And so there's lots of people that I know who are just not there yet.

They're not ready to commit, they're not ready to even say that they're hungry for anything when it comes to religion. But then there are those who I have chatted with or had coffee with, and, and they're struggling because they're looking for purpose.

They're looking for meaning, or they're struggling with one of their children, or they're having a hard time at work because they want to love their coworkers well, but their coworkers are driving them crazy.

And so when you hear conversations like that, it's like, oh, okay, well, you know, I had a situation that was kind of like that once. And then be able to share a little bit more about how Jesus helped me walk through similar circumstances.

And then I just spend a lot of time with that person for the next year or two. And whether I meet with them every other week or once a month, depending on what their schedule is available for.

And we just meet. We talk about life, we talk about how Jesus addressed maybe some of these situations that we're talking about and how we can best look like him in the midst of these circumstances.

And it's just growing. It's growing together is what it is.

Jan: I think you have to have a relationship, you know, on the whole. I mean, there are those instances where you can just pop in and say, hey, this is what it's about, and whatever.

And they go, oh, wow, you know, this is it. But I think,

you know, I think they're very.

Sara: I agree.

Jan: Rare times, you know.

Sara: Yeah.

Jan: A certain phrase, sentence or something that, that you open the door with.

Sara: No, I don't. I, I try to make it as personal to the person as possible. So actually the, I'm mentoring a young lady right now. I'm. We're doing scripture reading together, discipling her.

And she's young, she's 22. And she had found out that I had been meeting with another girl that was close to her age, but then she had left to continue her education.

And so she came up to me and she said, would you ever meet with me like you did with that other girl? And I was like, sure, let's do it.

That'd be fun. You know, like, I would love to. Let's, let's do that. And so I took her out for Indian food and then I found out she wasn't an adventurous eater.

So we kind of, we kind of played off of that. So. Oh, you're not much of an adventurous eater. Okay. Are you an adventurous person? And we just get to talking and finding a little bit more out about her story kind of helps lead the conversation.

And so I really don't go in with anything planned. The only thing I have planned is that we're going to read scripture together.

Jan: Yeah.

Sara: But even then I might have a planned portion of scripture. But in conversation, if something comes up and I just feel it's beneficial for us to read something else, then we will.

Jan: Yeah. Yeah, that sounds amazing.

I had a little cancerous thing on my cheek. And so when I went to have the surgery for it, the doctor came in. He was just like, I don't know, grumping about this and grumping about that and, you know, whatever like that.

And I just said a couple of things to give some hope, you know, but it wasn't directly faith based or anything. But then the assistant was in there by himself.

It was just him and I,

and,

and I asked him, I said, are you person of faith? And he said, well, yes, yes, I am. Whatever I'm thinking, I said, well, you've got the perfect Opportunity right here that you're somebody working with you.

You know, he was an intern, so it was just easy. But I think that's a nice way, too, to just kind of balance something to start out with. Are you a person of faith or where are you, you know, I mean, is that something that you're, you know.

Sara: Yep.

Jan: Yeah. Yeah. I think sometimes too, about what if I were Muslim, what if I were some other something, you know,

what would it be about?

You know, what would make me cross that line to get to something like, this is the way. This is how I've lived my life forever, and whatever. What would it be that would make me cross that line to become and.

And believe that this is the real deal?

Yeah.

Sara: You know,

it's so personal to each person.

Now, in my dad's sake, he. He's a very stubborn man.

So. So.

So it would take a miracle, I think, to convince him,

especially because he has two Christian daughters, and one of.

Jan: Them.

Sara: Did not understand that zealousness can also damage. And I just didn't know. And so for him, I think it would take a physical miracle for him to see or if I know.

I've heard and read many, many stories where Jesus visits Muslims in their dreams. And if he had an experience with Jesus that he could not deny, I think that that would be something that would help him at least consider stepping over the line.

But then there's others. You know, especially even in the States, we have lots of people who say they're Christian, but. And they're Christian by title, but not necessarily by how they live their life.

And so we probably have tons of that in every faith. Right. There are probably Muslim people who are Muslim by name, but not by how they live their life. Same with Hinduism and Buddhism.

And then even we have a very large percentage of people in the United States who are considered nuns, where they don't believe anything. Like, they're not even denying Jesus for who he is.

They just don't believe in anything.

But all of us have one thing in common, and that is we want our life to have purpose.

We want to have a reason for our existence and what we have chosen to believe or not believe. If it is not satisfying that need for wanting purpose on this earth,

it can make us begin to start searching.

And the danger is when someone grows up in the Christian faith and they are surrounded by people who are Christian by title, but not by how they actually live, they can begin to believe that they can't find that purpose within the Christian faith.

And so then they start searching other places.

Because I think, Jan, you and I can both agree there are a lot of people who are doing damage when it comes to the Christian faith because they're choosing to live a lukewarm faith.

And, and so I think if we have that desire for something and we're not finding it where we already are standing,

then we will start searching. And so my hope and prayer is that my life is an example of someone who feels fulfilled and someone who knows which direction she's going.

I might not necessarily know all the things that I'm doing or what I'm going to be doing because, you know, that changes with the wind sometimes. But I feel like I have purpose and they see that and they see that I, I'm filled with joy because of it.

It's going to make them ask questions. And so my hope is that my ears are perked and my, my spirit is perked to the Holy Spirit leading conversation so that I'm ready to have an answer when they have those questions.

Jan: Yeah. And I think the people who are lukewarm, it's just because they haven't figured out the personal relationship.

They, they haven't, they haven't found out that God is really theirs just for the thing, you know. And so that's where that, that part is. I just went through.

My sister's husband just had spent a year with pancreatic cancer and he died a week and a half ago. Both of them were confirmed atheists.

And it was, let me tell you, pretty hard,

you know, to the point where it was,

to the point where they have things on the refrigerator, you know, little magnets that said kind of crazy things, you know, about making sure that no faith is better than, you know, is how it is.

Why would you be so crazy as to believe anything? You know,

so it was really,

you know, it was hard for me looking at the end result for him dying. And really it just hit me really hard, you know, and it wasn't. And he was pretty negative in life anyway about a lot of things.

So praying and praying is like, okay, you want me to tell her? Because the last time there was a time when my other sister in law had accidentally sent something to my sister that was a faith based thing and she just shut it down.

It was just like. And she wouldn't even talk to her for many, many, many, many years, you know, just from that one incident, you know. And so it's kind of like that step, do I take that step?

Do I not take that step? Do I don't want. I know we only have so much time. Am I going to lose? Or is it, you know, that balance, Trying to find that balance.

And I kept praying about,

can I say something, Lord? Do you want me to say something? What do you want me to do here? Do you want me to step in? Do you? You know, and I never felt like he did.

And so I just prayed, you know, God, you've done a lot of things. I've heard a lot of testimonies where God is just, he, he just zaps somebody, you know, he just, he comes in a dream, you know, he plants something in their head.

Like what? You know, that all of a sudden makes it real for them. And I just, that was my prayer for him and I hope that's what God answered.

Yeah,

calling too. You know, it's, it's Jesus calling people too. So there's that element which none of us can totally understand.

Sara: No, unfortunately we can't because we're human and we just don't understand the supernatural like we wish we, we could.

Jan: Yeah. And I think it's important to how we model things, you know, for raising our kids even, you know, and seeing how they, that they see how easy it is to talk to people or you know, whatever, to who we are, that they want to become that as well.

Sara: Yeah.

Jan: I don't know. We have 10 kids,

so that's awesome. I gotta start out that way.

I had three with my first husband. He had a brain tumor. And then I married a man that had two natural and two adopted. And then we had three more together.

Right.

Sara: That's fantastic.

Jan: Out of those, I have one who goes to church regularly.

I have one who is really just coming into the faith as 42 year old, you know, and, and starting to understand. And actually that was rewatching the Chosen and seeing that it's like real people.

It really, you know,

and then I have one that just became a nun and so that was a whole interesting process. My husband's Catholic and she went to Catholic University or whatever, but. And she was not going to do that either.

But it's just so that's, it's this whole kind of a gamut of people and you're thinking, I, I raise them all,

you know, going to church, did. Doing things to, Going to youth groups and going to camps and singing songs and you know, being involved, doing all that kind of stuff.

But they're not all there. You just keep praying and it's gonna keep.

Sara: Yep.

Jan: Eventually happening.

Sara: It's true. I, I have three and, and they're young, I, they're 16, 14 and 12. And we had just gone on a trip together as a family and had a great conversation with my oldest.

My 16 year old is a girl. And so her and I had, had. She brought it up and it actually kind of surprised me. She's very,

very in tune with her relationship with Jesus. It is very important to her. She actually would love to be in ministry when she finishes high school.

But she asked me a question. She said, you know, mom, you always talk about your sister, and dad always talks about him and his siblings and, and how you guys grew up and, and kind of knowing where your siblings were at when it came to their faith and their relationship with Jesus.

And she goes, I don't really know where my brothers are at.

And I was like, you know, I don't either. The first of all, they're middle school boys, so do we even know where they're at with anything?

You know, like, they're. Even their favorite foods change by the day. But I said, you know, that'd be a great question to ask them because it's questions that my husband and I ask as well.

But we also have this weird balance where we're trying to figure out as pastors,

we don't want to force Christianity on our children. I mean, as parents in general, but especially as pastors, we know them being pastors, kids, they, they do feel whether,

whether it's on them or not, because it might be more from their own perspective, this pressure to live a certain way.

And so we talk a lot about how our relationship with Jesus is personal to each of us and that my relationship with Jesus,

you cannot live off of that, you cannot hope off of that. Like, it has to be your own. And so we talk about that, but we don't always necessarily push the so where are you at Conversation also because they're in middle school, but I said, as a sister, you can ask them that.

You know, you're laying in bed one night and you can't sleep and you can hear your brother rustling around in his bed. Go sit and just talk with him and ask him where he's at.

And. Because, you know, usually bedtime is when the boys will finally talk. And yeah, I, I hope and pray that all of my kids will love Jesus and want a relationship with him.

But I also know that I can't guarantee it. I can live as a good example, and I can not just trust the church to raise my kids, but I can do my own due diligence as a parent, as well, but ultimately, it's up to them.

Jan: Yeah. I always told my kids, you know, I don't want you to believe because I believe. I don't want you to believe what your dad believes just because he believes it and whatever.

I want you to do your research, do your own due diligence,

figure out what you believe, and then have a real reason for believing that, you know, have a basis for that. And so, I don't know. We'll see. We'll see where things go.

I may never know. I don't know.

Sara: Well, we'll just keep praying.

Jan: We just keep praying. We pray for our kids every single day, you know, for that. So you wrote a book. Tell me about that.

Sara: I did, yeah. It'll actually be coming out here, I'm hoping, in the next couple weeks. I don't have an official date yet. I work with Hope Books Publishing, and so I'm waiting for my book to go across the CEO's desk so that I can get my official date.

But I know it is in printing right now. It's called Leading Spiritual Hoarders, and it is written for pastors and ministry leaders, but anybody can read it and just helping create a culture within their church of disciples who make disciples.

I've been in ministry for over 20 years, and I have seen a lot of people who sit in the seat on Sunday and they go home, see ya. They don't talk about Jesus all week, and then they show up the next Sunday.

And Jesus was very clear that disciples multiply themselves. And so it is not just the pastor's job, it is every believer's job. And so helping create that culture in their church so that we aren't raising people within the church who think it's just the pastor's job to do it.

Jan: Yeah, I think also that comes, you know, the boldness. I had a friend, I always call it holy boldness.

That holy boldness. To talk to somebody and share your faith. You have to know what you believe and be really secure in that, you know, to be able to venture out.

And if you're not and you're just on that cusp of it, you still.

You need to know that whatever you're saying, God is going to be there, you know, he's going to be taking those words, words to help pave the way, you know, and to.

To do that. So,

yeah, I mean, you don't have to have all the answers to begin with.

Sara: No, no, you don't. There's this great training that's called Zume, and they Coin this. They call it duckling discipleship. And so you have a mama duck and all of her babies, and they all follow each other as they go.

Right? And so whatever direction the duck is going, it's because of the duck in front of them. And so as believers, whether we're seasoned believers and have been for a long time or we literally just got saved a week ago, as long as we're just one step in front of someone else,

we can disciple and lead them. And so I love. I love that little term because, first of all, ducks are adorable. But I think we've done a great job in the church of making people feel like they need to know everything in order to share the gospel, when really they just need to be one step in front of another person.

Jan: Yeah, yeah. And in your church, are you doing some discipleship training or are you just.

Sara: Yeah, Yep, yep. We have different training opportunities. We also, all of our staff, actively disciples someone one on one with the expectation that that person will also begin to disciple someone one on one and creating that multiplying culture.

But we do have key weekends each year that we do some additional training and something even as simple as if you're all out at the lake. Cause where we're at, there's a lot of people who go camping and fishing on the weekends in the summer.

And. Well, and they go to the lake in the winter, too. If you're going fishing and. And you're sharing the gospel with someone and they get saved, hey, let's baptize them in the lake.

This is how you do it. Or let's baptize them in the bathtub. This is how we do it. And we walk them through it so that they don't feel nervous or are waiting and expecting the church to fill in those areas because they can do it.

And. And walking them through, even simple things like that, but also how to share their story, how to share the gospel story,

how to take everyday situations and be able to bring Jesus into that conversation,

all of that kind of stuff. So we do that as well.

Jan: That's awesome. That's awesome. Well, we're almost out of time. I want to. I'll put links to your website in the show notes, and if you have other links, go ahead and send those to me as well.

Sara: Sounds good.

Jan: What would you like to leave our listeners with?

Sara: Oh, I could leave you with all kinds of things, but my. My favorite thing would be just to say, you know what? Together as believers, we can make a difference. We may see the struggles that our communities are having.

We may see the struggle that our state or our nation is having, and we may feel that one person, what they do is insignificant. But when you are carrying the gospel with you everywhere you go and always looking for opportunities to share Jesus in a relational way, you are making a massive difference.

Even if you don't see it, and you might never see it, that that is a possibility. But you can make a difference in your community and with the people that you love, and even it will pass on to people you don't know.

But God wanted us to share his story because we knew it would have a positive impact on others. And we get to carry that story everywhere we go. So I believe in you.

Together we can do this.

Jan: That's awesome. Sarah Dangerfield, thank you so much.

Sara: Yes, you bet.

Jan: So I want to ask, who is in your realm, in your neighborhood, in your circle, if you were to rate yourself on how often you share God with others, where would you stand?

I had to ask myself that very question.

As an author, I share the gospel in the books that I write. As a podcaster, I share God to an audience that I'm not sitting beside or looking in the eye.

Sarah's conversation has made me think more in terms of sharing God. I had a friend who once called it holy boldness.

I love that term, but I don't think we even need to be bold.

What we need to do is develop relationships and get to a point where we can listen to others pain points because that is where their need is and that's where we can step in and share what God has done in and through us.

It's where our pain has value,

connecting us to others pain and saying, hey, when I went through this, God was right there. And here are some of my favorite scriptures that got me through that time.

And by the way, what do you believe about God with the pain of his death and then used it for our salvation?

If we're going to be like him, we need to ask him who he wants us to build that relationship with. Who will he lead you to?

Who will he lead you to? Today Sarah has written a book called Leading Spiritual Creating a Culture of Disciples who make Disciples.

You can find that on her website, which is sarahdangerfield.com thanks again for listening.

It's kind of a cycle. We go through a pain point. God gives us someone to use that with. Jesus had the pain of his death and then used it for our salvation.

If we're going to be like him, we need to ask him who he wants us to Build that relationship with. Who will he lead you to? Sarah has written a book called Leading Spiritual Creating a Culture of Disciples who make Disciples.

You can find a link for her website in the show notes. Pray for you Guyly.

I love that term, but I don't think we even need to be bold.

What we need to do is develop relationships and get to a point where we can listen to others pain points because that is where their need is and that is where we can step in and share what God has done in and through us.

It's where our pain has value, connecting us to others pain and saying, hey, when I went through this, God was right there and here are some of my favorite scriptures that got me through that time.

And by the way, what do you believe about God?

It's kind of a cycle we go through a pain point. God gives us someone to use that with. Jesus had the pain of his death and then used it for our salvation.

If we're going to be like him, we need to ask him who he wants us to build that relationship with.

Who will he lead you to? Today Sarah has written a book called Leading Spiritual Creating a Culture of Disciples who Make Disciples. You can find a link for her website in the show notes.

And as always, I can't wait to be with you again next week.